Wednesday, August 1, 2012

美国跟踪军方背景中国黑客 记录一举一动


    (自由亚洲电台) 由世界上最优秀的网络安全专家组成的一个美国反黑客小组去年花了两个月的时间,跟踪监控了中国一个与军方有联系的黑客团伙的攻击行为,并对这些黑客所窃取 的大量信息感到震惊。但是,网络安全专家告诉本台记者申铧,从技术层面上来讲,无法阻止中国黑客无孔不入的攻击行为。
   
     美国布隆伯格新闻网7月26号的一篇文章报道了美国这个秘密反黑客小组对中国黑客的监控。这个小组的的30名成员来自美国一些私营的安全公司、大学、网络 服务提供商、受到过攻击的企业代表等等。他们所跟踪的这个黑客团伙已经被美国情报机构观察过多年,并用代号“拜占庭式的直率”(Byzantine Candor)称呼这个团伙。 (博讯 boxun.com)

    
    布隆伯格的这篇报道说,美国的反黑客小组将中国黑客在两个月内的一举一动都记录下来,发现他们攻击了欧盟理事会的电脑系统,包括欧盟理事会主席范 龙佩的电子邮件;他们还攻击了20个企业和机构,而这些机构大多拥有能够给中国带来经济上的优势的信息。其中包括美国石油公司哈利伯顿,代理美国政府与中 国贸易官司的律师行,还有一个美国的核电站。
   
    反黑客小组发现,黑客们储存窃取所得信息的IP地址在上海,而且维基解密网站公布的美国国务院2008年的一份电讯中提到,这个地址属于在上海的、与中国军方有关系的“拜占庭式的直率“黑客组织。
   
    旅居美国、对中国政府互联网控制颇有研究的社会学者何清涟说,中国政府在网络技术上对人类社会有两项偏门的贡献,其中之一就是黑客技术:
   
    “中国确实在网络技术为世界贡献了一个非常偏门的门类,那就是监控技术同时黑客技术。监控技术国内的民众已经是深受其害。每天都在和共产党的网络 监控作斗争。翻墙,还有就是在微薄上转事。大量的精力用在这些方面。目的是为了监控舆论来控制思想,引导大家去看按照中共提供的思维主旋律去思维。另外还 有一样技术就是黑客,黑客技术其实近五年以来美国经常有报道,连五角大楼都受到过袭击。”
   
    正像何清涟所说,最近几年有关中国黑客攻击西方政府和企业网络的报道并不少见。谷歌公司曾经因为受到攻击而与中国政府关系恶化,最后决定将大部分 业务撤出中国大陆。澳大利亚国防部长到中国访问,将常用的计算机和手机都不带走,而是临到中国之前置办新的装备,以防信息被偷窃。
   
    不过何清涟认为,像美国这样的西方国家和中国进行网络较量,既有技术上的长处,但也有弱点:
   
    “弱点在哪里呢?美国是个民主国家,中国是一个专制国家,专制国家最大的长处是政府的意思能够集中本国最优质的资源来做成一件事情。而民主国家最 大的短处就是它无法集中本国的资源来做一件事情。它现在对这些网络巨头只能是劝说、引导、谈判。但是它不能强制。比如美国可以通过一条法律限制这些网络公 司转让某一类的技术,但是通过法律的过程是比较长的。” 
   
    今年7月19号,美国总统奥巴马在《华尔街日报》上发表文章说,美国受到的网络威胁是我们面临的最严重的经济和国家安全方面的挑战之一。
   
    那么从技术上来讲,有没有可能将网络的安全体系做到万无一失,预防黑客的攻击呢?
   
    “网络程序都有漏洞。因为它是以一种技术的方法和手段,用必然超越技术的另外手段去诱导它,没有完全的手段,除非可能就是传统的方式。” 
   
    那是中国陕西的网络安全专家关阿鹏。在美国致力于破网工具研究的夏先生也持有同样的看法。在他看来,阻止中国政府支持的黑客无孔不入的攻击行为的唯一途径就是通过外交谈判:
   
    “从政府的层面需要有一个很明确的立场。要敦促中国政府去阻止这样的事情,并没有一个有效的一个外交的努力。” 
   
    维基解密公开的美国国务院的电讯透露,“拜占庭式的直率“与中国军方有关系。另外,2010年,《纽约时报》曾披露,山东蓝翔高等技工学校拥有第一流的黑客技术和人才,而且也有军方背景。那么中国军方为什么在黑客攻击上扮演如此重要的角色呢?夏先生解释说:
   
    “有时候认为军方有一定的能力,它做一些事情的时候约束会更少。它更敢于做一些国际上道义不能接受的一些事情。它会去尝试。”
   
    以上是自由亚洲电台记者申铧的采访报道。

'Brainwashing' Fears Remain


2012-07-30
Hong Kong residents remain concerned over plans to teach loyalty to China's Communist Party.
AFP
File photo of students at a Hong Kong middle school.
The Hong Kong government vowed on Monday to go ahead with plans to roll out "patriotic" education about China in primary schools this year, following mass protests by parents, teachers, and pupils concerned over possible political "brainwashing" in the formerly freewheeling territory.

While chief executive Leung Chun-ying offered a new round of consultations with parents following protests by an estimated 90,000 people at the weekend, he ruled out any delays to the program, under which all Hong Kong primary and secondary school pupils will receive compulsory "national education" classes by 2016.

"There will be a three-year starting period," Leung told reporters.

"This means that schools, depending on their own situation, can decide to start teaching the subject this year, next year, or the year after the next."

Earlier this month, Hong Kong's Catholic diocese refused to allow the use of one of the program's prescribed textbooks in dozens of primary schools under its jurisdiction following fears that the book will herald a new era of propaganda-style education backed by the ruling Chinese Communist Party.

The diocese joined a number of religious and charitable educational trusts in rejecting the textbook, meaning that around one third of Hong Kong's 500 primary schools won't teach it, at least in its initial year.

The book, titled The China Model, portrays the Communist Party as "progressive, altruistic and united," re-igniting debate over Beijing-backed propaganda-style education in Hong Kong.

'Core values' ignored


One parent who attended Sunday's protest surnamed Chan said he had his doubts that such classes would help the next generation of Hong Kong children to better understand the country of which they have been a part since the 1997 handover from British rule.

"We think that core values like justice and fairness are not given any treatment," he said.

"We would be very concerned if the concept of direct elections and an elected government didn't form part of citizenship education."

A woman surnamed Wong who attended the march with two young toddlers said children should be raised to think for themselves.

"Children should have their own freedom to consider different versions of an event," she said. "There are a lot of facets to events, and it's not for the government to tell schools to promote any particular version of the 'truth' to them."

"It's no problem for kids to learn about China, but they should learn that there are no human rights in China, and other such material," Wong said.

Hong Kong's high school students, who joined Sunday's march in large numbers in spite of the fact that they will have graduated before the changes take effect, say the territory's schools are now under threat from "brainwashing."

The "national education" curriculum would consist of 50 hours of lessons a year focusing on "building national harmony, identity and unity among individuals".

But parents, teachers, and students alike fear that events like the bloody Tiananmen crackdown on pro-democracy protesters in 1989 and the mass starvation and extrajudicial killings of Mao's Cultural Revolution will be whitewashed for the younger generation.

Love for the Party


A teacher surnamed Shih said that citizenship education should include discussions about different political systems, not just focus on a narrow patriotism and an unquestioning love for the Communist Party.

"Politics should be included, because it is something that people will come into contact with as part of their role as a citizen," he said.

"Of course they should discuss the rights and wrongs of various events, including the June 4 [massacre] and the [death of veteran activist] Li Wangyang."

The government has said the subject is important to foster a sense of national pride and belonging, however.

"The government definitely does not have the intention to brainwash," said Leung, who this year was chosen by a pro-Beijing committee to govern Hong Kong.

"Schools, teachers, and educational bodies will have a lot of space using professional attitudes and using open methods to teach this subject."

The government announced the formation of a special committee to monitor the implementation of the subject following Sunday's mass protest.

Anti-Beijing feeling


Under the terms of its 1997 handover to China, Hong Kong has been promised the continuation of existing freedoms of expression and association for 50 years.

But journalists and commentators have pointed to a number of outspoken radio personalities who have departed from key political talk shows in the years since the handover of sovereignty to Beijing.

The territory's immigration service has also denied entry to prominent democracy activists and other individuals not approved by Beijing.

In spite of a miniconstitution promising a far higher degree of civil liberty and freedom than is currently enjoyed by Chinese in the mainland, "patriotic education" will be mandatory in all Hong Kong primary and middle schools by 2015.

Journalists say that the Chinese Communist Party has redoubled its ideological work efforts in the territory following mass demonstrations on July 1, 2003 against proposed anti-subversion legislation, which the government later abandoned.

Recent polls carried out by University of Hong Kong have shown that anti-Beijing feeling among the Hong Kong population is running at record levels, while the number of the territory's citizens who identify themselves as "Chinese citizens" is at its lowest level in 13 years.

Reported by Zhou Qianting for RFA's Cantonese service, and by Xin Yu for the Mandarin service. Translated and written in English by Luisetta Mudie.

Religious Freedom ‘Declines Markedly’ in China


2012-07-30
The US State Department hits out at China for its policies on Tibetan Buddhists and Uyghur Muslims in an annual report on global religious freedom.
AFP
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton speaks at the Carnegie Foundation in Washington after the release of the State Department's 2011 International Religious Freedom Report, July 30, 2012.
China has suffered a sharp decline in religious freedom while Burma has made little progress on the issue despite democratic reforms, the U.S. State Department said in an annual report to American lawmakers.

It said that abuse of religious freedom remained a concern in Vietnam, including cases involving arrests, detentions, and convictions of religious practitioners.

The State Department’s 2011 Religious Freedom Report that reviewed the situation across the globe last year slammed China, saying there was a “marked deterioration” in Beijing’s respect for and protection of religious rights in the world’s most populous nation.

It cited increased restrictions on Tibetan Buddhist monks and nuns and clampdowns on religious practices ahead of sensitive anniversaries, as well as “severe” repression of Muslim Uyghurs in the volatile Xinjiang region.

Burma, which ushered in a new, nominally civilian government in 2011, “took steps” during the year toward overcoming its legacy of “intense religious oppression,” but continued to impose restrictions and monitor meetings by religious organizations, it said.

In Vietnam, authorities held religious prisoners, refused to allow churches to register, and harassed believers, the report said, amid calls by rights groups to President Barack Obama’s administration to re-designate the country as a “Country of Particular Concern”—a label that the U.S. government gives to countries for ongoing, egregious violations of religious freedom.

At a briefing on the release of the report, Ambassador-at-Large for International Religious freedom Suzan Johnson Cook said that freedom of religion went “hand in hand” with freedoms of expression, speech, and assembly, and that governments in Asia and around the world had “misused” laws to restrict freedom of all three.

“Religious freedom is often the bellwether for other human rights,” including freedom of expression, speech, and assembly, she said.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the "global picture" for religious freedom, with over a billion people worldwide living under governments that "systematically" repress people's beliefs, was "sobering."
"When it comes to this human right, this key feature of stable, secure, peaceful societies, the world is sliding backwards," she said, speaking at the Carnegie Center for International Peace after the report's release.
China
Chinese authorities’ restrictions on religious practices among Tibetans and Uyghurs were “severe,” the report said.

The State Department placed blame on authorities for stoking tensions that led to the recent wave of Tibetans setting themselves on fire in protest against Chinese rule.

"Official interference in the practice of these religious traditions exacerbated grievances and contributed to at least 12 self-immolations by Tibetans in 2011," the report said.

Further self-immolations this year—which brought the current total to 44 since 2009—continue to demonstrate Tibetans’ “desperation” under China’s rule, Johnson Cook said.

In China’s far northwestern Xinjiang region, home to the mostly Muslim Uyghur group, religious restrictions were closely tied to political repression, the report said.

The government’s concern over “separatism, religious extremism, and terrorism” had contributed to restrictions on Muslims, with authorities “failing to distinguish between peaceful religious practice and criminal or terrorist activities,” it said.

Outside of Tibet and Xinjiang, Chinese officials restricted the activities of both registered and unregistered groups, including members of underground Christian “house churches” and members of the Falun Gong spiritual movement, the report said.

Some Falun Gong adherents had reportedly been held in ankang psychiatric institutions, while authorities had raided house churches and confiscated Bibles, it said.

Individuals had been harassed or detained for assembling for worship, expressing their beliefs in public and private, and publishing religious texts, it added.
The U.S. had raised issues concerning house churches, Falun Gong, Uyghur Muslims, and Tibetan Buddhists, during talks at the U.S.-China Human Rights Dialogue in Washington last week, Johnson Cook said.
“That’s a continuing conversation and we will not let up,” she said.
Burma
The report slammed the Burmese government for marginalizing the Muslim Rohingya, a minority which has been at the center of deadly communal violence in western Burma’s Rakhine state since June of this year.

“The government continued to refuse to recognize the Muslim Rohingya ethnic minority as citizens and imposed restrictions on their movement and marriage,” it said.

At the same time, it praised Burma for the “limited” steps it took toward greater religious freedom during 2011, when a new government took power in the country after decades of rule under the former military junta.

Burma had eased some restrictions on building churches and had generally permitted followers of registered religious groups to worship as they chose, the report said.

But it had also “frequently limited religious freedom” and continued to impose restrictions on certain religious activities.

Some Buddhist monks arrested during the 2007 “Saffron Revolution” protest movement led by monasteries had been released, it said, but noted others remained in prison serving long sentences.

Vietnam

In Vietnam, government practices and “bureaucratic impediments” had restricted religious freedom in 2011, while reports of rights abuses remained at levels consistent to the year before, the State Department said.

Christians had faced particular challenges in the country, the report said, noting an incident of detainees being treated harshly after a protest over the closing of a cemetery in Con Dau parish.

Authorities had harassed individuals for their religious beliefs and some religious groups for their political activism, it added.

But it praised authorities for allowing new religious groups to register and for pursuing talks with the Vatican concerning the country’s Catholic community.

Laos

The State Department praised Laos for a “slight trend” toward improvement in protection of religious rights through public education outreach in the provinces.

But it slammed local and district-level authorities for being lax in their enforcement of laws and policies protecting religious freedom.

Local authorities sometimes demonstrated suspicion of non-Buddhist communities and showed intolerance for minority groups, particularly Protestant Christians, it said.

Cambodia
Cambodia was one of the few Southeast Asian nations to stand out for relative tolerance of religious rights in 2011, the report said.

The State Department said there were no reports of abuses of religious freedom and few reports of societal abuses or discrimination based on religion last year.

“The constitution and other laws and policies protect religious freedom and, in practice, the government generally respected religious freedom,” it said.

North Korea

Religious freedom “simply does not exist” in isolated North Korea, the report said.

“Government policy continued to interfere with individuals’ ability to choose and to manifest their religious beliefs,” the report said.

Though little is known about the isolated country, some reports from refugees and defectors and missionaries indicated that North Koreans who had contact with foreigners or missionaries were subjected to harsh penalties, it said.

樊国荣:要求释放诺贝尔和平奖获得者刘晓波



刘晓波是中国一名著名的政论作家。2008年,刘晓波先生因为写了“零八宪章”,号召在中国实现依法治国,言论自由,政府由人民选举,被中国政府拘留,在2009年的12月25日圣诞节,作为一名基督徒的刘晓波先生被中国政府以颠覆国家政权罪判处11年有期徒刑。

2010年12月10日,挪威的诺贝尔奖评选委员会将该年度的诺贝尔和平奖颁给了刘晓波先生,以表彰他在过去20多年的时间里以和平非暴力的方式为中国的民主和自由做出的杰出贡献。可是,刘晓波先生却不能去挪威领奖,因为他当时还在中国的监狱里服刑。

我作为一名中国公民,呼吁中国政府立即释放刘晓波,尊重人民的言论自由。本来,刘晓波写了一篇文章,提出了一些政治观点,并没有号召暴力推翻政府,颠覆国家政权,这是每一个公民都应当享有的言论自由,而言论自由的基本人权是中国宪法第35条明文规定的公民的基本权利。难道宪法上规定的言论自由只有赞美政府的自由,而没有批评建议的自由吗?所以,中国政府应当立即释放刘晓波。

Protester Beaten, Detained


2012-08-01
A Tibetan monk launches a solitary protest, in a growing trend.
RFA
An undated photo of Konchog Yarphel.
Police in China’s southwestern Sichuan province on Wednesday beat and detained a Tibetan monk who shouted slogans calling for independence for Tibet, in the latest incident this year of lone Tibetan protesters braving harsh treatment and long prison terms to challenge Chinese rule.

Konchog Yarphel, 22 and a monk at Talung monastery in Serthar county in the Kardze (in Chinese, Ganzi) Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, began his protest at 1:00 p.m. on Aug. 1, a Tibetan resident of the area said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Aug. 1 is nationally observed in China as “Army Day,” the source noted.

“[Konchog Yarphel] shouted slogans and distributed leaflets, signed in his own name, calling for freedom and independence for Tibet and for the return to Tibet of [exiled spiritual leader] the Dalai Lama,” the source said.
Yarphel, a native of Serthar’s Nyitoe Yultso community, began his protest in a public park and fought back when security forces arrived to detain him, the source said.

Protests spreading

In recent months, several Tibetans have staged individual protests against Chinese rule in Tibetan-populated areas.

In late July, police in Tibet's Chamdo prefecture detained a young Tibetan named Ngawang who carried the banned Tibetan national flag and shouted slogans before being taken into custody.

In addition, 44 Tibetans have set themselves ablaze so far in a self-immolation campaign to protest Beijing's rule since the current wave of burnings began in February 2009.

In Wednesday's protest, Konchog Yarphel “carried a stick with a prayer flag on it, and was taken away in a police car and severely beaten when he resisted arrest,” the source said.

“Lots of people witnessed the incident, but nobody knows now where he is being held,” he said.

Before he was detained, Yarphel called also for the release of the Panchen Lama, a Tibetan religious figure believed to be held by China, the source said.

China's lama?


The Panchen Lama, the eleventh in his line and Tibet’s second most-senior religious figure, was named at the age of six in 1995 by the Dalai Lama as the reincarnation of his predecessor, but quickly disappeared into Chinese custody together with his family.

Another boy, Gyaltsen (in Chinese, Gyaincain) Norbu, was selected by Chinese authorities to take his place.

His authenticity is disputed by many Tibetans, who refer to him as China’s “fake” Panchen.

Chinese officials in the Tibet Autonomous Region last week ordered Tibetans living near the Panchen Lama’s home monastery of Tashilhunpo to turn out in large numbers to greet Gyaltsen Norbu on his arrival on July 29, a Tibetan source said on Wednesday, also speaking on condition of anonymity.

“The Tibetans were compelled to attend under threat of prosecution, but many showed no interest and did not even see Panchen Gyaltsen Norbu’s arrival at the monastery,” he said.

Gyaltsen Norbu was scheduled to visit another monastery, Phuntsog Ling, on Wednesday, the source said.

“The authorities have demanded that at least 300 Tibetans living in the vicinity attend,” he said.

Reported by RFA’s Tibetan service. Translated by Dorjee Damdul and Tseten Namgyal. Written in English by Richard Finney.

刘荻获德国金鸽奖,附刘荻答谢辞/廖天琪


  
     正当奥运会在伦敦炙热地开展之时,一只金色的鸽子于2012年8月1日飞到了四年前京奥的举办地北京,降落到一位年轻的作家刘荻的手中。和平与希望是鸽子 带给中国人的祝福,但是这只鸽子更象征着人性的光辉和人权的庄严,它的新主人刘荻,更为人知的名字是不锈钢老鼠,微笑地站在北京的鸟巢前将它高高举起。
    刘荻获德国金鸽奖,附刘荻答谢辞/廖天琪
   
     德国艺术家理查德•希林格(Richard Hillinger)于2008年联合国人权宣言发布的60周年之际,制作了30只金鸽子,隐喻人权宣言中的30条内容。从此嘴里衔着象征和平的橄榄枝的 金鸽子,就在全世界翱翔,每隔三个月,就由本届得主颁发给他/她所选中的为人权作出卓越贡献的个人或团体。哈维尔、瓦文萨、戈尔巴乔夫、图图主教、埃及博 物馆、纽约大都会博物馆等都曾是获奖者。
    刘荻获德国金鸽奖,附刘荻答谢辞/廖天琪
   
     刘荻手中的金鸽子的第一位得奖人是北京的艺术家艾未未,之后它就离开中国,飞翔于世界各地。它最近的的一届拥有者是独立中文笔会会长,居住在德国科隆的廖 天琪。德国笔会于5月间在文化城鲁道尔市(Rudolstadt)举行年会时,将这个奖颁发给廖女士。金鸽子奖除了鸽子本身,不包含任何奖金或奖状,这表 示它所象征的精神价值和人文意义是无价的。
   
     金鸽子是无价也是无界的,如今它千里迢迢飞入北京寻常百姓家。此人权的接力棒交给了刘荻,她是谁呢?“不离不弃,软硬通吃”,不锈钢老鼠是之谓也。班房也 坐过,茶也被喝过,小女子依然生猛泼辣,自讽讽人。在此风生水起、人心思变的时代,她坚守一个独立知识分子的操守,勤于写作,敢说真话,文如其名,笔似钢 牙。100名同行们手抄讲话,灵魂堕落,她却磨牙霍霍,一鼠当关,维护了华夏知识分子最后那一点薄弱的尊严。
   
     如今,这只金鸽子飞上不锈钢老鼠的肩头成为炎炎夏日,为洪汛所困的京城中最靓丽的一道风景线。
   
     廖天琪2012年8月1日
   
    刘荻答谢辞
   
     感谢廖天琪女士把这个奖给我。
   
     我觉得我得到这个奖有点讽刺,因为不久之前我曾写文章说,《世界人权宣言》的很多内容应该进行修改。
   
     这里不必多谈复杂的人权理论,只须强调一点:人权不是国家给予的,也不是“天赋”的,而是我们每个人努力争取来的;人权在我们的心中,在我们的行动中。
   
     中国有许多人——许多维权人士,包括独立中文笔会会员比我更有资格获得这个奖。不过这个奖是一个击鼓传花游戏,希望我们能把这个奖、把人权的精神传下去。

江泽民建议借鉴中国历代治乱兴衰的经验教训


    (自由亚洲电台) 前中国领导人江泽民在为《简明中国历史读本》 一书写的序言中呼吁国人汲取和运用历史经验,借鉴历代治乱兴衰的经验教训。
   
     江泽民在为中国社科院编的《简明中国历史读本》 一书所作序言中说,中国五千年的历史包含着治国安邦的深刻道理。他指出,“学习中华民族发展史,是弘扬爱国主义精神、增强民族凝聚力的重要途径。爱国主义始终是中华民族团结一心、自强不息的精神源泉。” (博讯 boxun.com)

   
    美国侨界知名人士张闻选博士表示,江泽民有关学习历史的意见很有意思。他说,学习历史是要了解历史,而不是抄袭历史:
   
    “很有意思,学习历史并不见得一定要抄袭历史,要了解像下棋一样,看怎么下,哪一步怎么下,为什么这么下,会走成什么样子,不了解的话就乱来了。”
   
    美国华裔学者、政论家孟玄表示,中国有着一部独特的发展史,但是中国已经进入全球化时代;倘使在借鉴、消化西方治国理念的基础上去温习中国自己的治国理念,那将对中国的发展大有裨益:
   
    “秦始皇统一中国以后,中国就进入了两千年的帝国王朝的朝代兴衰的过程,这里头有我们特殊的文化模式。鸦片战争开始,中国跟一个比中国在很多方面 更进步的一个文明冲撞起来。基本上中国历史有她自己的特征,跟西洋的历史和其他地方的历史确实不大一样。中国的王朝兴起的时候多半都会很注意过去的这些教 训,中国是很重视历史的一个民族。有人甚至讲中国没有宗教,以历史为中国的宗教。那么这种情况下,中国现在又面临着一个说是崛起吧,也算是一个转立点,总 算现在变成,不管从哪一个程度来讲,中国是世界大国,它的科技文明、经济发展都是已经举足轻重,这点不能不说是一个相当了不起的成就,尤其这三十年来。我 们要重新看我们自己的历史,现在我们是一个全球化的体系,跟以前王朝的反省不一样。我想所谓的中国模式有人甚至说是发展中国家最不坏的一种模式。经过这四 年来,中国模式本身出来的问题也很多。可是西方经过金融海啸以后到现在为止,西方的资本主义也出现很多问题。所以在这些总的这么多新的思潮下,中国人自己 也在寻找能不能重新走出一条路来?所以接受西方,如何消化,然后再重新再看我们的历史经验。”
    美中科技文化交流协会会长谢家叶博士也表示,应当从当今中国社会的视角去观照中国几千年的治国经验:
   
    “从哲学的读史的角度来说,我们可以从各个方面吸收一些经验,古人的治理国家的一些经验和方法。我们不管现在采用什么样的体制,我们祖先五千年来积累的一些经验和方法,我们确实是可以在当今社会的治理、国家的治理这一方面我们是值得借鉴的。”
   
    谢博士表示,在学习古人的同时,要防止对古人的经验食古不化、生搬硬套:
   
    “我们可以用它一些方面的东西,确实是可以,但是是不是要把五千年中国古代的一些说法,一些做法、一些观点和一些治理社会的经验全部搬过来用?我 觉得也不是。因为现在的社会跟以前的社会之间毕竟有很大的不同,我们不能说老祖宗的东西就一定全部是正确的。中国古代的东西是不是可以参考?可以参考。但 是是不是要把它完全地搬过来?我觉得也不是,这就需要我们这一代人或者是下一代人集体的智慧。政府的官员也好,人民群众也好,知识分子也好,大家都应该在 这方面有所贡献。”
   
    谢博士说,儒家的“仁义礼智信”是中国几千年文明史的基石,这些价值观念有助于改变当代中国社会的面貌:
   
    “仁、义、礼、知、信这套东西对于我们目前的社会来说我觉得是值得恢复的。因为目前我们社会整体来说,缺的还就是这个东西。人与人之间的诚信、买 卖之间的诚信、上级和下级之间的诚信的关系,以及政府的公信力各个方面,如果说真正做到了的话,那确实是对于整体的中国社会,整体的面貌确实是会有一个比 较大的改变。”
   
    孟玄说,自汉代以来,儒家和法家这两种中国主要治国理念的平衡和相互为用,有时是一个颇为纠结的问题;直到近代,毛泽东还奚落邓拓像服膺儒家的汉元帝:
   
    “我一直认为中国现在实际上毛泽东就是秦始皇,邓小平是汉高祖。邓小平的制度承续了秦制法家。汉宣帝的时候,汉宣帝骂他的儿子汉元帝,说你要知道 我们那个汉家之法度,就不能够光施仁政,不是光是儒家就能够治天下的,一定是外儒内法,里头还是法家,外头才是儒家,这是我们汉家的制度。毛泽东曾经也骂 邓拓像汉元帝一样。”
   
    孟玄提及的这段往事,是晚年毛泽东对儒家不以为然的一个例子。大约五十岁以上的人都还记得他在文革中发动的那场评法批儒运动。
   
   
    以上是自由亚洲电台记者杨家岱的采访报道。